WI needs Weezer Fans!
Do we have your support?!!?
Also... I'm inviting Weezer as of now to show up. Come on guys, we need you and everyone else!
Thanks!
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Permalink Reply by Jordan on -
Agreed to the max.
Aegeantyphoon said:I do not support the Teachers Union. No surprise. But you really need to see the real WI teachers union. You also need to get some things straight.
"The Wisconsin Education Association Council (WEAC) caught the eye of the Landmark Legal Foundation long before they gained national prominence due to their pro-union position around the tense debate currently playing out in Wisconsin. But not only have they recently stepped up to pay some back taxes, presumably due to ..., if Governor Walker is correct, they are also gouging taxpayers for health care costs at the same time they failed to pay the appropriate taxes – and the stance taken by truant Wisconsin teachers appears calculated to allow what some are calling a scam to continue."
"In April, the Landmark Legal Foundation asked federal officials to investigate its claim that WEAC failed to report or pay taxes on $430,000 in contributions to the Democratic Legislative Campaign Committee between 2000 and 2002 in apparent violation of federal law."
"The Wisconsin Education Association Council has voluntarily made $171,091 in payments to the Internal Revenue Service after a review of past federal tax returns, the state’s largest teachers union said Wednesday."
"WEAC previously created the WEAC Trust, which, among other things, provides health insurance for Wisconsin school districts."
"If the bill proposed by Governor Walker were to pass, the teachers union could still employ collective bargaining for wages but their ability to control the benefits portion of the contract would go away. Walker claims that would immediately reduce health care costs for WI school districts by 68 million dollars. Obviously, it would also impact the WEAC Trust’s bottom-line."
"Given the circumstances, it’s fair to ask what, precisely, is WEAC’s motivation for opposing the Wisconsin bill supported by Governor Walker and Republicans, while Democrats have fled the state."
"In a worst case scenario, not only would WEAC be gouging tax payers through the WEAC Trust due to inflated health care costs, given Landmark’s discovery, they might not even be paying their own taxes at the right level, or in a timely manner."
ref: http://www.marklevinshow.com/goout.asp?u=http://biggovernment.com/d...
The unions, especially the teachers unions, are worse than cartel. I will not support them. And quite frankly I wish we could bust them.
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Permalink Reply by A.J. Beeves on -
Hi stephenjorie,
I support you in your rally/protest! It's been a wonderful experience to see people come together and show that there is still a hope for democracy and the people's voice. Let's not let corporatations take over our government or our minds.
In solidarity!
Peace!!
stephenjorie said:
There's going to be a rally/protest in Trenton next friday. My parents are going and I may go too. Any NJ people going? I'm really hope it does as much as the protest in WI.
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Permalink Reply by A.J. Beeves on
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Maybe it's me and the information I'm passing through, or maybe it's the other folks posting here, OR maybe it's the format of an online forum...
In any case, the conversation here has seemed to really take a turn for the worst. I mean, it's not really a conversation. I'm posting stuff, then someone else posts stuff, but it seems that if you're against the protests you talk to each other, and if you are for the protests, you talk to each other. Either way, I'm hoping to talk across the divide.
I'm glad to see the other point of view, that's for sure. I guess I'm not feeling like you really get what I'm saying though. I'm not really pro-union. I'm not anti-union either. To me, it's important that we collectively use the little voice we have against the giants in this country, which is why I'm supporting the union rights' to collectively bargain. I can guarantee you that even the amounts of money Aegeantyphoon mentions does not add up to what the millionaires and billionaires have, and they are individuals... one person.
Beyond all that, I'll state again, this isn't about unions to me or many other folks. As I listened in on the debates in the assembly, they were talking about a bunch of policy changing issues packed into the Budget Repair Bill. There are going to be families that will be majorly affected by this passing. Good teachers will probably have to step away from their jobs. Families who can't pay for healthcare, may not survive. There is language that allows for discrimination against people for their sexual orientation.
What do you think of these things... I am happy to look at articles and sites on the internet, but it would be even better to hear your explanations for why they matter, and what your opinion is.
Thanks.
Also - I really regret hearing the teacher bashing. C'mon. We need good teachers, and it's hard when you don't feel appreciated. SO, if you want to say things like teachers should be fired, please do explain exactly why you are saying that. Are you trying to hurt my feelings?
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Permalink Reply by Aegeantyphoon on -
This is why I usually do not debate these items with other union members. it is unfortunate that instead of looking at the real issue, people prefer to drink the koolaid that their union bosses, with malice of forethought, push down their throats. And what is sad is that an educator, that teaches our kids, stops educating themself. The fact that union members have better benefits then lay people means nothing. That is the problem with an entitlement attitude. All you want is more. That is why I will be attending an anti union rally today. I'm not against teachers, just the union.
A.J. Beeves said:Maybe it's me and the information I'm passing through, or maybe it's the other folks posting here, OR maybe it's the format of an online forum...
In any case, the conversation here has seemed to really take a turn for the worst. I mean, it's not really a conversation. I'm posting stuff, then someone else posts stuff, but it seems that if you're against the protests you talk to each other, and if you are for the protests, you talk to each other. Either way, I'm hoping to talk across the divide.
I'm glad to see the other point of view, that's for sure. I guess I'm not feeling like you really get what I'm saying though. I'm not really pro-union. I'm not anti-union either. To me, it's important that we collectively use the little voice we have against the giants in this country, which is why I'm supporting the union rights' to collectively bargain. I can guarantee you that even the amounts of money Aegeantyphoon mentions does not add up to what the millionaires and billionaires have, and they are individuals... one person.
Beyond all that, I'll state again, this isn't about unions to me or many other folks. As I listened in on the debates in the assembly, they were talking about a bunch of policy changing issues packed into the Budget Repair Bill. There are going to be families that will be majorly affected by this passing. Good teachers will probably have to step away from their jobs. Families who can't pay for healthcare, may not survive. There is language that allows for discrimination against people for their sexual orientation.
What do you think of these things... I am happy to look at articles and sites on the internet, but it would be even better to hear your explanations for why they matter, and what your opinion is.
Thanks.
Also - I really regret hearing the teacher bashing. C'mon. We need good teachers, and it's hard when you don't feel appreciated. SO, if you want to say things like teachers should be fired, please do explain exactly why you are saying that. Are you trying to hurt my feelings?
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Permalink Reply by Aegeantyphoon on
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I would also like to add that the federal employees union, also corrupt, does NOT have collective bargaining in their contract. Also you talk about Families that cannot pay for their medical. I am confused. The teachers union has the best health care, so you must be talking about the millions, who do not work for a union. As far as walking away from jobs. It is about time that the teachers and other union members feel the same pain I have. I have taken a cut in pay and benefits, I have struggled with making my payments. The difference, I NEVER received am entitlement. I worked two jobs to make things straight. I am back in college, also no government help. I cannot afford increase taxes to pay for union benefits.
Again I like good teachers, and my professors in college are great. They do not teach their opinions. I am also saddened that good people listen to their unions. What people do not get. It is because of the reckless spending that all states are in trouble. Not surprising that most of those legislatures were liberal completely and now it is time to cut and cut hard. We all have to bear the burden.
It is also amazing the backers of these protests are organizations like moveon.org who is backed by George Sorros, who is a known socialist. PLEASE do your research.
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Permalink Reply by Aegeantyphoon on
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One more item. May I remind everyone that it is the millionaires and billionaires who create jobs, not the government
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Permalink Reply by Jordan on
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I couldn't agree more.
People in this country despise the wealthy, but they need to understand that companies are run by the wealthy and therefore, the wealthy employ a majortiy of this country's workers.
Taxing the rich will only hurt this countries economy, because the more that they are taxed, the fewer people they will hire.
But now that I've gone off topic, let's get back on topic. Sorry about that.
Aegeantyphoon said:One more item. May I remind everyone that it is the millionaires and billionaires who create jobs, not the government
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Permalink Reply by A.J. Beeves on
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No, only ONE part of the bill is about unions, and that is the part about taking say bargaining rights. I am not part of a union. I am a teacher, but my job isn't in a traditional school.
When I'm talking about Medicaid that's for people who are likely not in unions. This budget repair bill threatens to drastically change, of not totally get rid of some amazing health care programs we shave in this state. I know a lot of people who are on this plan, and I know that many others who will be very adversely affected by it's going away.
You are right, o have not done much research into unions, but I'm not really talking about them, which is what I feel I need to keep repeating.
Beyond this, I have found out that there are also parts of the bill that take away protection of natural resources.
And, of course, the selling off of public utility plants.
What is it about this bill, and these items that you support?
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Permalink Reply by Aegeantyphoon on
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Well the only portion of the bargaining agreement it takes away is the health coverage. That is it. As far as medicaid that is a Federal program. Now the State program will change anyway if this stupid Obama care goes through which, thank God, was ruled un-constitutional. As far as natural resources, I do not know. I think we need to use them for our self containment. Also look who really owns Yosemite National Park. It is really owned by the United Nations, Yes, I was shocked too. Public utility plant SELL them. They would be run better by a private company. They already pay for them. Rates might go down. We have no choice we have to cut and cut hard. It is going to hurt. But right now everyone is acting like the Greeks.
A.J. Beeves said:
No, only ONE part of the bill is about unions, and that is the part about taking say bargaining rights. I am not part of a union. I am a teacher, but my job isn't in a traditional school.
When I'm talking about Medicaid that's for people who are likely not in unions. This budget repair bill threatens to drastically change, of not totally get rid of some amazing health care programs we shave in this state. I know a lot of people who are on this plan, and I know that many others who will be very adversely affected by it's going away.
You are right, o have not done much research into unions, but I'm not really talking about them, which is what I feel I need to keep repeating.
Beyond this, I have found out that there are also parts of the bill that take away protection of natural resources.
And, of course, the selling off of public utility plants.
What is it about this bill, and these items that you support?
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Permalink Reply by Jordan on
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Public workers should not be allowed to unionize. Unions become too corrupt, too quickly.
Unions in the private sector are fine, but not for public workers.
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Permalink Reply by kilgoretrout2112 on -
the idea of losing collective bargaining is a little scary. We have had collective bargaining and although we have lost much(cheesier health care, no C.O.L.A. in over 5 years, added another period a day, more students, less teachers, etc) at least we can sit down and talk to the administration. The idea of losing the chance to try and negotiate really would suck. On the other hand, I pay quite a bit of money to "belong" to a union and much of what they do without my consent is a bunch of BS. They support propositions and politicians that I might not necessarily agree with...and they use my money to lobby it.
BUT...to lose collective bargaining really is scary. I also read that the firemen and the police unions are exempt from this. What the hell?
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