Most people give Make Believe a lot of criticism, and needless to say Pinkerton is far past that stage and now regarded as one of the greatest albums of all time.

We see Pinkerton to be an expression of longing, sadness, and at times selfishness.  During that time Rivers is taking a lot of control of Weezer.

 

If Pinkerton is an expression of the pain in that part of Rivers' life, I see Make Believe as the expression of his emotions later on.  Make Believe is really an answer to the questions that Pinkerton presents.  I think maybe "We are All on Drugs" is the exception, but Make Believe is written from personal experience just like Pinkerton.  Songs like "Pardon Me", "Perfect Situation", "The Other Way", "Peace", "Freak Me Out" and "Haunt You Everyday" are still emotional and still very relatable, but other songs like "My Best Friend" and even "Hold Me" focus on answers and peace.

 

Also, it's been said before that "Beverly Hills" is not only a sincere desire, it's one of Rivers' favorite musical acheivements.  That song make sense to me as being some of the material that Rivers wants to wirte now and that he wants to take Weezer to a higher level, hence the collabs and experimentation with pop lately.

 

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i don't understand your argument. 

I think I see what you are getting at....but you need to organize your introduction better finishing the last sentence with what you are about to prove, then emphasize your points in the body to prove your original statement, and finally tie it all in at the conclusion emphasizing the original point again. I think it is all there just needs to be organized better :)

i know you're just going to accuse me of trolling, but i also don't really see your point.

      

i mean, your first sentence isn't really a sentence, which is a problem. your second and third sentences are jammed together, but you don't actually make any connection between the two. the third paragraph is better, and i'm assuming your thesis here is that make believe provides the answers to the questions posed by pinkerton. the only problem, though, is that you don't bother to explain why you believe this to be the case. listing the songs and telling us they are emotional and easy to relate to doesn't tell us anything about how the two albums are related.

    

what are the questions posed by pinkerton? what are the answers provided by make believe?

   

These are the opinions that I took from the post:

Radioactive believes that:

-Make Believe is underated

-MB is similar to Pinkerton in the way that they're both emotional 

-MB works as a follow up to Pinkerton with some of MB being continuations/resolutions

-Maybe in the future, MB will be more popular, like Pinkerton 

-Rivers' vest is awsum 

I agree that Make Believe is underrated and that some on the songs have some of the emotion that can be found in Pinkerton. I do not think of MB as a follow up to answer the "questions" of Pinkerton. I do think that Rivers' vest is awesome, but expensive. 

This.  100%.  Please refer to this post as a guide.

And it probably was poorly-structured since I did it in 30 secs before having to jet off.

Stefan said:

These are the opinions that I took from the post:

Radioactive believes that:

-Make Believe is underated

-MB is similar to Pinkerton in the way that they're both emotional 

-MB works as a follow up to Pinkerton with some MB being continuations/resolutions

-Maybe in the future, MB will be more popular, like Pinkerton 

-Rivers' vest is awsum 

Ok....so don't be lazy.....fix it or this is what people will see 

and Stefan...who needs math when you got English :) 

Radioactive said:

This.  100%.  Please refer to this post as a guide.

And it probably was poorly-structured since I did it in 30 secs before having to jet off.

Stefan said:

These are the opinions that I took from the post:

Radioactive believes that:

-Make Believe is underated

-MB is similar to Pinkerton in the way that they're both emotional 

-MB works as a follow up to Pinkerton with some MB being continuations/resolutions

-Maybe in the future, MB will be more popular, like Pinkerton 

-Rivers' vest is awsum 

Agreed - The contention Radioactive has put forward.

Those who 'say' they don't understand it are likely just being their usual contrarian selves... or aren't really very understanding of Weezer.

no one understood the point radioactive was trying to make, you imbecile.

it has nothing to do with weezer and everything to do with radioactive failing to properly explain his thoughts. relying on stefan's interpretation ultimately makes this whole thing pretty useless, because who gives a f*** that radioactive thinks make believe is emotional and underrated. give us something to discuss, not something to simply agree or disagree with.

   

aO - r3tH>VHs H6i3l u3b - Bs said:

Agreed - The contention Radioactive has put forward.

Those who 'say' they don't understand it are likely just being their usual contrarian selves... or aren't really very understanding of Weezer.

I understood. I'm quite sure a lot of people did. Stefan apparently thought so. But understanding requires a little bit of thought and comprehension. Who gives a ( ___) is right. But not regarding Radioactive's opinions. Rather who gives a ( ___ ) about the grammar and/or form. This isn't English Language !01. Radioactive shares a view that is clear. It's also one that is shared among a minority of Weezer fans who don't buy into the Make Believe hating. Something chronic contrarians, like you, live by. '

But as I said... Radioactive's contention in the original post was/is clear.. But it does require a little bit of thought and imagination.

You, Mark, asked - "What are the questions posed by pinkerton? what are the answers provided by make believe?"

For those of you English-Language-Purists.. Might you consider the 'questions' and 'answers' mightn't be so literal as your limited comprehension reads. 



aO - r3tH>VHs H6i3l u3b - Bs said:

I understood. I'm quite sure a lot of people did. Stefan apparently thought so. But understanding requires a little bit of thought and comprehension. Who gives a ( ___) is right. But not regarding Radioactive's opinions. Rather who gives a ( ___ ) about the grammar and/or form. This isn't English Language !01. Radioactive shares a view that is clear. It's also one that is shared among a minority of Weezer fans who don't buy into the Make Believe hating. Something chronic contrarians, like you, live by. '

But as I said... Radioactive's contention in the original post was/is clear.. But it does require a little bit of thought and imagination.

You, Mark, asked - "What are the questions posed by pinkerton? what are the answers provided by make believe?"

For those of you English-Language-Purists.. Might you consider the 'questions' and 'answers' mightn't be so literal as your limited comprehension reads. 

yes, we all understand that radioactive thinks make believe is emotional and underrated. that was established right away. people want to know the point of radioactive's attempted comparison between make believe and pinkerton, because he did not explain that other than to say both have been considered underrated and emotional. radioactive himself brought up the questions and answers concept, and i am asking him to expound upon that subject for the sake of discussion. otherwise, having a thread to agree or disagree about whether or not make believe is emotional and underrated is pretty boring.

       

also, if the majority of weezer fans "buy into" the make believe "hating," then you and radioactive are the contrarians, as you go against the majority. i prefer the term antagonist, benjamin.

      

aO - r3tH>VHs H6i3l u3b - Bs said:


You, Mark, asked - "What are the questions posed by pinkerton? what are the answers provided by make believe?"

For those of you English-Language-Purists.. Might you consider the 'questions' and 'answers' mightn't be so literal as your limited comprehension reads. 

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