NEW FANS™ MISSING THE POINT?
This is a funny forum because just about every week or so we get somebody complaining that grumpy old fans (not unlike myself) just want Weezer to "write another Blue album" or "write another Pinkerton," whereas these enlightened (mostly newer) fans ramble on about how a band needs to be allowed to grow blah blah blah (paraphrasing here) and expand their horizons and write different music if the mood strikes them because they are different people now and blah blah blah (paraphrasing again.)
One thing that seems to be lost on these fans is that the Grumpy Old Fan™ does not necessarily seek another Blue or Pink and is not opposed to writing different types of songs. New fans seem to lead the charge with the battle cry "LET THEM BE DIFFERENT, LET THEM GROW."
No problem. What they don't seem to understand is that TBA and Pinkerton are VERY VERY VERY different albums, musically and thematically to varying degrees. Why do you think Pinkerton was so universally detested when it was original released.... "THIS ISN'T WEEZER!" I can't speak for every older fan but I really don't think we want them regurgitating music.
Different is fine, so long as it's good. Make sense?
One thing that seems to be lost on these fans is that the Grumpy Old Fan™ does not necessarily seek another Blue or Pink and is not opposed to writing different types of songs. New fans seem to lead the charge with the battle cry "LET THEM BE DIFFERENT, LET THEM GROW."
No problem. What they don't seem to understand is that TBA and Pinkerton are VERY VERY VERY different albums, musically and thematically to varying degrees. Why do you think Pinkerton was so universally detested when it was original released.... "THIS ISN'T WEEZER!" I can't speak for every older fan but I really don't think we want them regurgitating music.
Different is fine, so long as it's good. Make sense?
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Permalink Reply by if-i-were-an-orange on -
boo-ya!
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indeed
blakesp26 said:boo-ya!
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hintofcoolness said:indeed
blakesp26 said:boo-ya!
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Permalink Reply by MakeUpOnShelf on -
"Different is fine, so as long as it's good. Make sense?"
Not really. What you're saying is somewhat of a contradiction. This may or may not be what you're going for. Nevertheless, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. "Good" is a poor choice of a word. Many people who listen to Pinkerton can't get through "Tired of Sex" because of how rough it sounds (the screaming is pretty obnoxious).
By this logic Make Believe, The Red Album, Raditude, and Hurley still have the potential to be beloved Weezer albums some day. I'd say Make Believe has a chance, then again here I am making the same contradiction since Make Believe is the oldest album.
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Permalink Reply by if-i-were-an-orange on
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i think his point is that some people just don't like the new stuff...not because it is different (as he pointed out he likes blue and pinkerton which are two very different albums) but because they just don't like them....is that a crime?
MakeUpOnShelf said:"Different is fine, so as long as it's good. Make sense?"
Not really. What you're saying is somewhat of a contradiction. This may or may not be what you're going for. Nevertheless, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. "Good" is a poor choice of a word. Many people who listen to Pinkerton can't get through "Tired of Sex" because of how rough it sounds (the screaming is pretty obnoxious).
By this logic Make Believe, The Red Album, Raditude, and Hurley still have the potential to be beloved Weezer albums some day. I'd say Make Believe has a chance, then again here I am making the same contradiction since Make Believe is the oldest album.
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Permalink Reply by hintofcoolness on
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I don't think I am contradicting myself at all. Sure, time will tell with the new stuff just like it took years for Pinkerton to be elevated to revered status. All I am saying is that Blue and Pink are different (agree?) and both good albums (agree again?)
MakeUpOnShelf said:"Different is fine, so as long as it's good. Make sense?"
Not really. What you're saying is somewhat of a contradiction. This may or may not be what you're going for. Nevertheless, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. "Good" is a poor choice of a word. Many people who listen to Pinkerton can't get through "Tired of Sex" because of how rough it sounds (the screaming is pretty obnoxious).
By this logic Make Believe, The Red Album, Raditude, and Hurley still have the potential to be beloved Weezer albums some day. I'd say Make Believe has a chance, then again here I am making the same contradiction since Make Believe is the oldest album.
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Permalink Reply by Ouizer on
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I agree completely 100% with his logic
i dont want the same old blue album/pinkerton again.....i dont mind different
it just happens that every attempt weezer makes of being different, weezer fails at it
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Permalink Reply by MakeUpOnShelf on
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Perhaps your expectations are too high.
Ouizer said:I agree completely 100% with his logic
i dont want the same old blue album/pinkerton again.....i dont mind different
it just happens that every attempt weezer makes of being different, weezer fails at it
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Permalink Reply by MakeUpOnShelf on
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Do I believe Blue and Pink are different? Yes.
Do I believe Blue and Pink are both good albums? No. I believe they are both GREAT albums.
hintofcoolness said:I don't think I am contradicting myself at all. Sure, time will tell with the new stuff just like it took years for Pinkerton to be elevated to revered status. All I am saying is that Blue and Pink are different (agree?) and both good albums (agree again?)
MakeUpOnShelf said:"Different is fine, so as long as it's good. Make sense?"
Not really. What you're saying is somewhat of a contradiction. This may or may not be what you're going for. Nevertheless, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. "Good" is a poor choice of a word. Many people who listen to Pinkerton can't get through "Tired of Sex" because of how rough it sounds (the screaming is pretty obnoxious).
By this logic Make Believe, The Red Album, Raditude, and Hurley still have the potential to be beloved Weezer albums some day. I'd say Make Believe has a chance, then again here I am making the same contradiction since Make Believe is the oldest album.
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Permalink Reply by hintofcoolness on
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Yes, they are both great albums, you got me.
MakeUpOnShelf said:Do I believe Blue and Pink are different? Yes.
Do I believe Blue and Pink are both good albums? No. I believe they are both GREAT albums.
hintofcoolness said:I don't think I am contradicting myself at all. Sure, time will tell with the new stuff just like it took years for Pinkerton to be elevated to revered status. All I am saying is that Blue and Pink are different (agree?) and both good albums (agree again?)
MakeUpOnShelf said:"Different is fine, so as long as it's good. Make sense?"
Not really. What you're saying is somewhat of a contradiction. This may or may not be what you're going for. Nevertheless, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. "Good" is a poor choice of a word. Many people who listen to Pinkerton can't get through "Tired of Sex" because of how rough it sounds (the screaming is pretty obnoxious).
By this logic Make Believe, The Red Album, Raditude, and Hurley still have the potential to be beloved Weezer albums some day. I'd say Make Believe has a chance, then again here I am making the same contradiction since Make Believe is the oldest album.
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Permalink Reply by The shark from Jaws on -
i love every weezer album anyway, yer even raditude
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Permalink Reply by hintofcoolness on
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lol
j-biebs said:weezer fans: lowering expectations since 2002.
MakeUpOnShelf said:Perhaps your expectations are too high.
Ouizer said:I agree completely 100% with his logic
i dont want the same old blue album/pinkerton again.....i dont mind different
it just happens that every attempt weezer makes of being different, weezer fails at it
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