The best word I know to use to describe the reaction to this album is "mixed". It's safe to say that this was the general reaction, but we're the fans dammit and I don't about you but there is so many things I love about it and a tiny sum of things I detest about it. The interesting thing is we all love and dislike different things about it, that is, with exeption of one thing( I'll give you a hint, it rhymes with Shmerfect Shmituation). Anyway, what do you all think? Let the epic discusion of love and hate begin!

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there was a whole thread in WMD about why heart songs is terrible. let's not rehash that.

Relevant to what was said below... Hurley production.  Absolutely hate it.  It sounds cheap, dated and it actually really kills the album for me.  I know a lot of people have felt that way about Make Believe too, but the production on MB never really bothered me and at least it didn't sound "cheap."  Out of all the albums, I think Red probably came out with the best production.  I just hope the next album can deliver something of a higher calibur then Hurley did.

MaxFrancis said:

yeah not a fan at all. this one and hurley just leave me cold.

it's just a real stale and plodding album imo. lacks energy and overall catchy songs with good melodies. sure, there are a couple of standouts. i like peace and perfect situation.. and i have a soft spot for freak me out to. But i think they laboured over this one for to long. It all sounds way to slick and calculated at the end of the day. Green had that to but that album was full of infectious melodies.

you can see they were sort of stuck on where to go. its a real mixed bag.. they wanted to try new things but they did'nt really get anywhere. but they came back with a bang with Red. So all was forgiven!

Absolutely, couldn't say it any better. It's really painful to me how an amazing band like weezer and an gifted songwriter like RC can sound so incredible uninspired as on make believe and, even worse, hurley. the stupid pop punk production (that was supposed to be cool in the mainstream in the early 2000s) gives it [hurley] the rest.
but yeah, i know this should be about make believe so let me just say 1 sentence: embarrasing lyrics (for the most part; not because they're emotional but the way these emotions are expressed) and extremely boring musical arrangements (the songwriting wasn't actually that bad)

thankfully after make believe we got red and what we were missing: GREAT ROCK

so i have hopes for the hurley follow-up, too ;)

Let's not and say we did.

I don't mind Perfect Situation and Haunt You Every Day. Otherwise, forget it.

I remember really loving Green but even moreso Maladroit when it came out. Then I had Beverly Hills to thank as the song that put me off Weezer. Although Pork and Beans sort of brought me back. What was I saying? Yeah, Make Believe is mostly bad.

Is not.... You're mostly bad. Yeah, I guess I see where you're coming from. The album made me VERY uncomfortable at first. Haha

I mean, it obviously wasn't all bad. I don't think they've released an album that was all bad. Even Red was pretty patchy, but it otherwise got me back listening. Many people will disagree when I say that Raditude was really solid (with the exception of Love is the Answer......shudder), and Hurley was pretty hit and miss.

you can't hit and miss, it's literally impossible

fuzzman said:

hit and miss.

Yeah, if we're taking things literally here.

This comment would make considerably more sense, or at least have some semblance of sanity, if you didn't mention 'Pork and Beans' as getting you back into weezer.

fuzzman said:

Let's not and say we did.

I don't mind Perfect Situation and Haunt You Every Day. Otherwise, forget it.

I remember really loving Green but even moreso Maladroit when it came out. Then I had Beverly Hills to thank as the song that put me off Weezer. Although Pork and Beans sort of brought me back. What was I saying? Yeah, Make Believe is mostly bad.

Because sonically, Pork and Beans (probably deliberately considering they were fast on their way to becoming a nostalgia act) harked back to Blue album production. Lyrically, yeah, just silly.

Edit: Also, in saying it 'sort of brought me back', I mean it was my intrigue - particularly through the nutballs video - that led me to the rest of the record. Esp. Greatest Man and Angel and the One.

Wilford Brimley said:

This comment would make considerably more sense, or at least have some semblance of sanity, if you didn't mention 'Pork and Beans' as getting you back into weezer.

fuzzman said:

Let's not and say we did.

I don't mind Perfect Situation and Haunt You Every Day. Otherwise, forget it.

I remember really loving Green but even moreso Maladroit when it came out. Then I had Beverly Hills to thank as the song that put me off Weezer. Although Pork and Beans sort of brought me back. What was I saying? Yeah, Make Believe is mostly bad.

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