Interesting Weezer related commentary from ultimateguitar.com

This from an article on the death of Amy Winehouse:

 

The overall benefit—if you could call it that—of an early death, regardless of the nature of demise and living reputation, is the subsequent appreciation for the music. Death puts an end to your musical contribution, which can preserve your legacy. If Rivers Cuomo of Weezer died after making “Pinkerton” and the band broke up shortly after, Weezer could be revered as a truly great band with an highly esteemed musical influence, remembered for their innovative sound and creativity. But Rivers is alive and well, and Weezer has released a steady output of successful, yet comparatively less decent records than their first two. Weezer isn’t revered like Nirvana is because Nirvana didn’t have the chance to release mediocre records.

 

Ouch! Good point... Now: RELEASE THE HOUNDS!

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We don't allow random and unwarranted personal attacks on this forum. This has nothing to do with the topic on hand. Fluck at least stays on topic and doesn't thread piss with his snarkiness.

Blueperton said:
Funny, I read the same thing about your mom. She got a 9/10 in Hustler, and "Best in Show" in an indie porn mag from Florida. You should be proud.

kittens bieber ♥ said:
the whole "critics hated pinkerton" story is overblown. most reviews at the time were quite positive.

WeezerSituation said:

I don't think this is true. Pinkerton is only amazing to the fans/people.. critics hated it. I don't think they would have gotten the credit the deserved if that happened.



St.Jimmy said:
Do you guys like green days album Dookie? It has a really raw crunchy pop punk thing going on with it, you can practically hear every instrument clearly 

What a horrible thing to say.  I'm going to put aside my argument that Weezer has had at least 4-5 sublime records since Pinkerton (and even the less amazing ones are still better than 80% of everything else out there), and just say what a horrible way to dishonor Amy Winehouse's death first of all, and second of all wish a human being dead for a freaking music record. Especially someone as amazing as Rivers.

 

Rivers will never die.  But still, people should show some respect to someone who is nothing less than one of the greatest musicians of our time.

 

 

In Utero is perhaps my favorite Nirvana record.  Just saying.

CCNY said:

That's some morbid nonsense right there. I love the "if only Rivers Cuomo had died" idea, as if it was a calculated career move, and how foolish were Weezer to not avail themselves of it. I don't know what I expected from an article that opens with the gem, "the overall benefit of an early death..." What a complete jackass.

 

And stop with Nirvana not releasing mediocre records: In Utero, anyone? Please...

 

Hey, welcome to the official Weezer website, where we discuss Weezer.  Not...  Green Day...  In a completely unrelated topic....

St.Jimmy said:

Do you guys like green days album Dookie? It has a really raw crunchy pop punk thing going on with it, you can practically hear every instrument clearly 
This is garabage....Rivers is talented, and fun! That is y I paid $106 to see them yesterday front row. IT WAS AMAZING!!!!!!!!! He may not be an emotionally depressed rockhead anymore but he is ssoooooo much better now - fun, full of energy and has great concerts. I don't know y people always like to see Rivers sing about his depression and lonliness but i noe that I like to see him happy!! That is y people go to his concerts 16 years later - bc they see his humility and fun self. These concerts now even have kids as young as 8 rockin out to these songs. PPl of all ages could appreciate the songs. Not every person can understand Pink Triangle or what it means to be Tired of Sex. That is why songs like Beverly Hills and If I want You to are great for others. My friend loves songs from Raditude bc it has a pop feel to it while I like songs from Pinkerton. They balance. It depends what a person is in the mood to hear.....WEEZER HAS IT ALL
I KNOW!! Couldn't agree more with you. I just discovered them last year and as a younger fan I love them from 1994- Present


Supes said:

I couldn't give a sh*t what people think about Weezer's post Pinkerton output or their "legacy".

They're my favourite band. I've been with them from the start. I love all their stuff.

 

End of Story!

A) I was comparing Pearl Jam To Nirvana with regards to your initial statement as both bands started off as Grunge. I am not a huge Grunge fan and my favorite Pearl Jam song is a soft rock love ballad... Just Breathe... so would you say they were not "true to themselves"?

B) The reason I love Weezer so much and think they are so amazing is because of the diversity and experimentation in their music. Though the Blue album is my number one, I like a lot of the later stuff more than Pinkerton...not saying that I don't love Pinkerton. I'm not a musician or music expert so as a simple consumer I love my pop music from all genres and I love diversity. What Jenny Smith was saying is exactly what I was talking about as to why I am glad Weezer didn't stop making music after Pinkerton and why I think they are still going strong and will still continue to make great music that future generations will enjoy.

C)I never heard of Surfer Blood and Smith Westerners but I looked them up and listened to some of the songs and though I found the music pretty good (and should probably listen some more) the songs all sound very similar......maybe for me when bands are "true to themselves" I just get bored....

 

Mada said:

Your citing of Pearl Jam as an example of a band that evolved illustrates the problem that many who were blown away by Weezer's first two albums have with more recent work. Pearl Jam's post Ten (which I assume is seen by most as their watershed moment) output, while definitely moving away from their original sound, has always maintained an element of them being true to themselves and searching for new frontiers. The difference with Weezer is that (with a few brilliant exceptions, so you can put down your flamethrowers) their post Pinkerton work sounds and feels like they are pandering to the singular goal of writing "hit" songs. Even the Memories Tour, tacitly a bone thrown to the curmudgeons, had a more than slightly smarmy feel to it. That said, they all seem like nice guys and are certainly deserving of all the trappings that come along with writing hit songs, but I choose to remember Weezer from those first two albums. Anyway, overly earnest and angsty rock music is a young man's game so if I want to hear that I'll listen to Surfer Blood or Smith Westerns.

Natkat128 said:

I disagree.....I think Weezer has music that will endure and that future generations will enjoy.  I feel that they have a mix of sounds....something for everyone...and yet they have that special Weezer touch that makes it their own.I am sure Weezer has more in store for us. If there was no Weezer after Pinkerton there would not have been the Angel and the One or The Greatest Man that Ever Lived (2 of my favs) and many others. I can't imagine the next generation saying oooh Amy Winehouse was a classic...but more like a one hit wonder with a catchy song. (I am not saying she is a one hit wonder I am just saying this is how she will be portrayed by a future generation). She had talent but sadly I don't think she really reached her potential. 

Also, who knows what would have been with Nirvana.....I think they did not have a chance to evolve or grow...who knows what else they could have done with their music....I personally like bands that evolve over time rather than just limit themselves to the same old thing. I would pick Pearl Jam over Nirvana....and they are still alive and making great music! If Pearl Jam had an early death with Nirvana I would have probably gone with Nirvana back then....so I disagree with your initial statement. 



Natkat128 said:

A) I was comparing Pearl Jam To Nirvana with regards to your initial statement as both bands started off as Grunge. I am not a huge Grunge fan and my favorite Pearl Jam song is a soft rock love ballad... Just Breathe... so would you say they were not "true to themselves"?

B) The reason I love Weezer so much and think they are so amazing is because of the diversity and experimentation in their music. Though the Blue album is my number one, I like a lot of the later stuff more than Pinkerton...not saying that I don't love Pinkerton. I'm not a musician or music expert so as a simple consumer I love my pop music from all genres and I love diversity. What Jenny Smith was saying is exactly what I was talking about as to why I am glad Weezer didn't stop making music after Pinkerton and why I think they are still going strong and will still continue to make great music that future generations will enjoy.

C)I never heard of Surfer Blood and Smith Westerners but I looked them up and listened to some of the songs and though I found the music pretty good (and should probably listen some more) the songs all sound very similar......maybe for me when bands are "true to themselves" I just get bored....

 

Mada said:

Your citing of Pearl Jam as an example of a band that evolved illustrates the problem that many who were blown away by Weezer's first two albums have with more recent work. Pearl Jam's post Ten (which I assume is seen by most as their watershed moment) output, while definitely moving away from their original sound, has always maintained an element of them being true to themselves and searching for new frontiers. The difference with Weezer is that (with a few brilliant exceptions, so you can put down your flamethrowers) their post Pinkerton work sounds and feels like they are pandering to the singular goal of writing "hit" songs. Even the Memories Tour, tacitly a bone thrown to the curmudgeons, had a more than slightly smarmy feel to it. That said, they all seem like nice guys and are certainly deserving of all the trappings that come along with writing hit songs, but I choose to remember Weezer from those first two albums. Anyway, overly earnest and angsty rock music is a young man's game so if I want to hear that I'll listen to Surfer Blood or Smith Westerns.

Natkat128 said:

I disagree.....I think Weezer has music that will endure and that future generations will enjoy.  I feel that they have a mix of sounds....something for everyone...and yet they have that special Weezer touch that makes it their own.I am sure Weezer has more in store for us. If there was no Weezer after Pinkerton there would not have been the Angel and the One or The Greatest Man that Ever Lived (2 of my favs) and many others. I can't imagine the next generation saying oooh Amy Winehouse was a classic...but more like a one hit wonder with a catchy song. (I am not saying she is a one hit wonder I am just saying this is how she will be portrayed by a future generation). She had talent but sadly I don't think she really reached her potential. 

Also, who knows what would have been with Nirvana.....I think they did not have a chance to evolve or grow...who knows what else they could have done with their music....I personally like bands that evolve over time rather than just limit themselves to the same old thing. I would pick Pearl Jam over Nirvana....and they are still alive and making great music! If Pearl Jam had an early death with Nirvana I would have probably gone with Nirvana back then....so I disagree with your initial statement. 

I agree, I love anything they put out

Ben Katzman said:
as true as that might be, for me a weezer fan, i dont care what people say. I LOVE maladroit, green and the red album.
Norman Bates

kittens bieber ♥ said:
you've got some serious mommy issues, kenny.

Blueperton said:
Funny, I read the same thing about your mom. She got a 9/10 in Hustler, and "Best in Show" in an indie porn mag from Florida. You should be proud.

kittens bieber ♥ said:
the whole "critics hated pinkerton" story is overblown. most reviews at the time were quite positive.

WeezerSituation said:

I don't think this is true. Pinkerton is only amazing to the fans/people.. critics hated it. I don't think they would have gotten the credit the deserved if that happened.

What an idiotic thing to say.
Maladroit and Red have been played way to many times under my roof, but statement made in the article is true.


brofessefef said:

 

If Kenny had an a couple of brain cells knocking around he could have replied "Yes, Serious Mommy Issues, that's what they were called" and you could have said something funny again.

 

Alas, he has not.

kittens bieber ♥ said:

you've got some serious mommy issues, kenny.

Blueperton said:
Funny, I read the same thing about your mom. She got a 9/10 in Hustler, and "Best in Show" in an indie porn mag from Florida. You should be proud.

kittens bieber ♥ said:
the whole "critics hated pinkerton" story is overblown. most reviews at the time were quite positive.

WeezerSituation said:

I don't think this is true. Pinkerton is only amazing to the fans/people.. critics hated it. I don't think they would have gotten the credit the deserved if that happened.

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