If Make Believe was Self Produced would it be Akin to Pinkerton 2?

So after listening to Make Belive then reading up on a few of the songs like Hold Me, Peace, Haunt you Every Day etc

 

I found out that Rivers wrote most of the songs while Fasting or in a state of meditation which placed him in an emotional frame of mind.

 

Do you think if the album was self produced like Pinkerton or Maladroit the album would have been similar to a Second Pinkerton?

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Maybe if the lyrics were stronger
To be fair on Rivers, that could've well been Rubin's fault. Didn't the guy tell Rivers that he likes broad, easy to decipher lyrics and that he wanted to flatten the irony (= charm and interest) out of Rivers' songwriting?

Farkas said:
Maybe if the lyrics were stronger
In response to the op: no.
I don't know if he told Rivers that, but that is typically Rubin's style.

James Stockwell (Jamekae) said:
To be fair on Rivers, that could've well been Rubin's fault. Didn't the guy tell Rivers that he likes broad, easy to decipher lyrics and that he wanted to flatten the irony (= charm and interest) out of Rivers' songwriting?

Farkas said:
Maybe if the lyrics were stronger
Gohi's right. Those songs were only written after Rick Rubin was hired to produce the record (and because Rick pushed Rivers in that meditation/songwriting direction). A self-produced follow up to Maladroit (based on the Early Album 5 demos) would've probably been an even worse record than Make Believe.

there will never be a Pinkerton 2.  Wish all you want, but what makes Pinkerton so special, is that there is and will never be anything like it.

 

Other band's albums are similar to Pinkerton.  I'll say of a band, "That's their Pinkerton", as in that's the album that was under-appreciated, but really their best work to date.  Like Brand New's "The Devil and God Are Raging Inside of Me".

 

I don't think Rick Rubin had a very big hand in the creative process of Make Believe. Weezer recorded the whole thing without Rick around, and then just sent him songs to listen to.  If Rick did advise River's to write broad lyrics, then that is a shame.  I hope every album from here on out is self-produced.....or by Dr. Luke

i really liked it but i don't think it is like Pinkerton but i can see why people think it's kinda like Pinkerton.

I'd heard the comment about the irony, too, maybe on the guitar center sessions interview? You can't whitewash feelings like that. Irony was such a big part of Pinkerton. I liked Make Believe, but no--not even close to Pinkerton.

Hell yes. Make Believe is probably my second favourite Weezer album after Pinkerton anyway. Every song (apart from Beverly Hills) is so catchy and fun, sure the lyrics aren't as brilliant as they are on Pinkerton but thy are sweet and genuinely heartfelt so I can't help but love it. Had it been self produced it would have definitely been as great as Pinkerton. In my eyes at least.

Kind of.
Oh god no
I definitely imagine that a self-produced "Make Believe" would have been the worst thing ever. Heck, we have tracklists that TELL us it would have been a very poor album.

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