Anyone actually like Raditude?
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Permalink Reply by Ross Thomas on -
I don't think Hurley is anywhere near as good as Raditude. To say no thought went into Raditude is ridiculous - it is meticulously produced, everything is in the right place exactly. I'm still perplexed as to why people think the songs on Raditude are somehow childish and shallow compared to earlier songs.
Amuro said:Can't believe all the negative comments about 'Everyone' in the DTFM thread when there are so many positive comments about raditude. Run Over by a Truck and PGITWWW are great, but were obviously left off the album because they didn't fit it. On the actual album, only Trippin' is any good. The rest of it is TERRIBLE. I'm Your Daddy, Girl Got Hot, Can't Stop Partying, In The Mall and Love is the Answer are (along with Cold Dark World) the bands worst songs and all feature on the album.
Hurley I feel only has Where's My Sex? as a true awful track, but has Run Away, Unspoken, Ruling Me, Hang On, Time Flies and Brave New World which stand out as great modern weezer tracks.
Some comments here are mad. I don't really see how this album is more 'pop' than stuff like Green, Make Believe and, to an extent, Blue. Weezer has always had a 'pop' sound, but this album is just terrible, disposable and thoughtless. Even the band admit this (many of Pat's comments suggest this; around the release Brian said some things that could be interpreted as negative and Rivers has often suggested in interviews he felt the need to move away from that sound due to a negative response).
To say fans don't like it because they felt alienated by it's pop appeal ignores that prior to Hurley (which was released on a much smaller label) this was the bands biggest flop at the time. I know we have to take into account decreased sales generally, but it still shows that the rejection of the album was more universal. It's because of the quality of the songs.
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Permalink Reply by Samuel Marzioli on -
Someone mentioned EVERYONE? As I said elsewhere, the reason a lot of people don't like it is because the lyrics are very quaint, and it's basically In The Mall. "Everyone, Everyone, Everyone, Suck a thumb, Suck a Thumb, Suck a thumb." Let's put that question to rest. Those are two good reasons.
Regarding Where's My Sex, I'll freely admit that I like it because it's really about socks. Sure, that's the kind of answer you expect from a teenager, but it's the truth. And the chorus is catchy.
As for The Girl Got Hot, that's a damn catchy song. What's to hate?
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Permalink Reply by Amuro on -
OK.
Everyone - No all songs are about the content of the lyrics. This song really rocks, the riffs are great and really powerful. To me, as a 'rocking' track this is much better than anything off Maladroit. Most of the lyrics from that album are meaningless, as are lyrics from Raditude. It's the performance that makes it. Rivers snarls the lyrics, and to me sounds like he's putting alot of anger and frustration into his performance which really suits the song. The lyrics, performed like they are, are actually pretty cool. As a rocking, agressive song, it really gets across the grungy sound of alot of alt rock of the 90s, which at many stages in Rivers' early (and later) career he drew on strongly. Sure it's a bit messy as it was never finished at the time, but its still awesome and can't be discounted just because of it's vacant lyrics.
Where's My Sex - The song being about socks can't really be a reason to like it. It's a pretty immature joke that is maybe worth a brief laugh at best. It's the song itself that is bad, just sounds a mess with a very unmemorable tune/riffs.
Girl Got Hot - Sure the riff is pretty catchy, but the recording of the song really neuters any power it might have. Pretty much everything else about the song is something to hate. Th autotuned vocals are terrible, the lyrics embarasing. Ross says meticulous thought was put into this album. The subject of this song is so generic, as is the melody and instrumentation, i can't believe that. Anyway, most of the 'work' put into the album would have been the collaborators/producers Rivers worked with rather than the band's imput (Pat has even come out to complain about the production of this album and how it moved away from Weezer recording as a band).
Sure, Everyone also sounds like something pretty simple to pull off. The differance is that the performance of the song has conviction and the band sounds great, resulting in a brilliant sounding, awesome track. It's just a 'fun rock out' song as many say raditude tracks are, but in this case it actually lives up to what I expect from songs like that.
Samuel Marzioli said:Someone mentioned EVERYONE? As I said elsewhere, the reason a lot of people don't like it is because the lyrics are very quaint, and it's basically In The Mall. "Everyone, Everyone, Everyone, Suck a thumb, Suck a Thumb, Suck a thumb." Let's put that question to rest. Those are two good reasons.
Regarding Where's My Sex, I'll freely admit that I like it because it's really about socks. Sure, that's the kind of answer you expect from a teenager, but it's the truth. And the chorus is catchy.
As for The Girl Got Hot, that's a damn catchy song. What's to hate?
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Permalink Reply by Samuel Marzioli on
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Amuro, first I'd like to point out that it's ironic for you to say the reasons for my liking I Want My Sex is immature since your reason for liking Everyone is because Rivers snarls. Isn't that's why 4-year olds love tigers.
But seriously, you made a lot of that up. There is no snarling, there is no emo or grunge revival in the song. His vocals are standard (but good), and no more hard core than In The Mall. I played Everyone and In The Mall for several people and the common response was the vocals are delivered the same and they're surprised how similar the songs are. Further, as I said, the lyrics are Dr. Seuss simple and the riffs are purposefully repetitive.
I say, love it! That's your prerogative, but don't knock a brother for loving I Want My Sex.
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Permalink Reply by Brian Steep on
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For me the parts are better than the whole. I Think part of the reason I originally thought it was so bad, is that Green Day's 21st Century Breakdown had also just came out, and it pissed me off that Green Day, who came out about the same time as Weezer, was putting out someof thier best stuff of thier career...and Weezer was putting out...uh...Ratitude.
Also, the songs on Raditude seem to all have a very similar beat when you listen to the album, and it just feels like the album needed to be broken up a bit better.
I have since discovered that I really like "I'm your Daddy," ';Trippin' Down the Freeway" and "Put Me back together" I also like "I don't want to let you go," but does it sound exactly like "Pig" with different lyrics to anyone else? I also really like "I want you To."
So that's five songs I like off of an album I had myself convinced I hated. I remember when, if an album had five songs on it you liked it was a home run. So I'll have to agree with the "If this wasn't Weezer, it would be great" theory. Weezer was one of the first bands that came out with albums where I loved every song. In fact, I love every track from the beginning of Blue to the end of Green. Maladroit, while a good album, was the first Weezer record with duds on it. I was excited for Hurley, because I liked about 8 out of 10 songs, and the two I didn't like, I also didn't hate. That was the first time since Green a Weezer album had that kind of consitency.
Raditude is like the least good looking Victoria Secret Model. She's still a Victoria's Secret model. And still hotter than most women you will ever talk to. So, yeah. It might be the worst Weezer album, but its still a Weezer album.
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Permalink Reply by Amuro on
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Your example of irony seems to completely miss the meaning of that word...
Also, a snarl is an aggressive facial expression often accompanied by an aggressive noise. I exaggerated a bit, but just to emphasise how aggressive the song sounds to me. To snarl is by no means exclusively related to a tiger and as a reasonably specific term, I don't see what's immature about using it?
Meanwhile thinking that replacing 'socks' with 'sex' is pretty immature. I'm not saying you're immature for liking the song (the lyrics are only a small part of the problem with the song imo), just that the joke itself isn't enough to justify the song. Liking the song 'because it's about socks not sex' doesn't make any sense to me. It's like saying you like the sweater song because it's actual about sex and ignoring all the other things that make it great (including incredibly simple lyrics)
I really don't think the vocal performance of In the Mall and Everyone can be compared. In the Mall vocals sound really restrained and most likely auto tuned. Also, the songs aren't that similar. In the Mall is poor because all the same riff and melody repeats itself throughout the song. Everyone has the "everyone...everyone..." but, the "I really want to take you somewhere..." bit, the first solo which changes the tempo of the song, the second solo which changes again, the "I can't see straight' bit and then combines them all at the end. That's a lot of stuff going on in a short song. Throughout, the instrumentation is awesome. The drums sound great and there are great riffs, great solos, great bass lines. Really don't see why simplistic lyrics should make all these good points null and void, especially coming from a band that specialises in simplistic lyrics.
Anyway, back to the subject. I think Raditude completely moved away from what makes songs like Everyone great to me. Everyone sounds like a BAND playing. Raditude sounds like songs were written (often with mainstream hit writers) and then the production was dictated by the producers rather than sticking to the sound that make Weezer great. Pat has mentioned they recorded many more band-oriented rocking songs with Jack-Knife that were scrapped in favour of the more polished sound. I think we can agree that Run Over By a Truck, Prettiest Girl, Pork and Beans, Troublemaker - regardless of what you think of those songs - sound much more like a well produced rock band than most of raditude.
Samuel Marzioli said:Amuro, first I'd like to point out that it's ironic for you to say the reasons for my liking I Want My Sex is immature since your reason for liking Everyone is because Rivers snarls. Isn't that's why 4-year olds love tigers.
But seriously, you made a lot of that up. There is no snarling, there is no emo or grunge revival in the song. His vocals are standard (but good), and no more hard core than In The Mall. I played Everyone and In The Mall for several people and the common response was the vocals are delivered the same and they're surprised how similar the songs are. Further, as I said, the lyrics are Dr. Seuss simple and the riffs are purposefully repetitive.
I say, love it! That's your prerogative, but don't knock a brother for loving I Want My Sex.
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Permalink Reply by Therese Andre on -
OMFG, I love "I'm Your Daddy" that song rocks, so therefore, I love Raditude :D
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Permalink Reply by Rae on -
I don't hate it but it's easily the least favourite album for me. I like IYIIWYT(IWYT), I'm Your Daddy and Can't Stop Partying but just ignoring the lil wayne part.
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Permalink Reply by Matt Cox on
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Personally, I don't hate it but it is my least favorite album of all of them. I do sincerely enjoy a mess of the songs do like "Put Me Back Together" and "Trippin' Down the Freeway" but if I had a choice to listen to one and only Weezer album on a long flight, I would definately put this one at the bottem or next to it.
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Permalink Reply by jamesmadrox on
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yes the first time i heard i dont want to let you go i thought the words flowed almost exactly like the words in Pig. i dont think ive seen anyone else ever mention this
Brian Steep said:For me the parts are better than the whole. I Think part of the reason I originally thought it was so bad, is that Green Day's 21st Century Breakdown had also just came out, and it pissed me off that Green Day, who came out about the same time as Weezer, was putting out someof thier best stuff of thier career...and Weezer was putting out...uh...Ratitude.
Also, the songs on Raditude seem to all have a very similar beat when you listen to the album, and it just feels like the album needed to be broken up a bit better.
I have since discovered that I really like "I'm your Daddy," ';Trippin' Down the Freeway" and "Put Me back together" I also like "I don't want to let you go," but does it sound exactly like "Pig" with different lyrics to anyone else? I also really like "I want you To."
So that's five songs I like off of an album I had myself convinced I hated. I remember when, if an album had five songs on it you liked it was a home run. So I'll have to agree with the "If this wasn't Weezer, it would be great" theory. Weezer was one of the first bands that came out with albums where I loved every song. In fact, I love every track from the beginning of Blue to the end of Green. Maladroit, while a good album, was the first Weezer record with duds on it. I was excited for Hurley, because I liked about 8 out of 10 songs, and the two I didn't like, I also didn't hate. That was the first time since Green a Weezer album had that kind of consitency.
Raditude is like the least good looking Victoria Secret Model. She's still a Victoria's Secret model. And still hotter than most women you will ever talk to. So, yeah. It might be the worst Weezer album, but its still a Weezer album.
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Permalink Reply by hintofcoolness on -
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Amuro said:Can't believe all the negative comments about 'Everyone' in the DTFM thread when there are so many positive comments about raditude. Run Over by a Truck and PGITWWW are great, but were obviously left off the album because they didn't fit it. On the actual album, only Trippin' is any good. The rest of it is TERRIBLE. I'm Your Daddy, Girl Got Hot, Can't Stop Partying, In The Mall and Love is the Answer are (along with Cold Dark World) the bands worst songs and all feature on the album.
Hurley I feel only has Where's My Sex? as a true awful track, but has Run Away, Unspoken, Ruling Me, Hang On, Time Flies and Brave New World which stand out as great modern weezer tracks.
Some comments here are mad. I don't really see how this album is more 'pop' than stuff like Green, Make Believe and, to an extent, Blue. Weezer has always had a 'pop' sound, but this album is just terrible, disposable and thoughtless. Even the band admit this (many of Pat's comments suggest this; around the release Brian said some things that could be interpreted as negative and Rivers has often suggested in interviews he felt the need to move away from that sound due to a negative response).
To say fans don't like it because they felt alienated by it's pop appeal ignores that prior to Hurley (which was released on a much smaller label) this was the bands biggest flop at the time. I know we have to take into account decreased sales generally, but it still shows that the rejection of the album was more universal. It's because of the quality of the songs.
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