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WHAT BIPARTISANSHIP?


OnlyinPinkerton said:
What bipartisanship?


kilgoretrout45 said:
That was not my point. I said if the Republicans want to change the country like they promised, it is going to take compromise. Basically, both sides will have to humble themselves(kiss butt). If the Republicans don't allocate any money, and this recession dips into a depression, we Americans will have B****....I mean Boehner to blame. Especially when the Reps suck up to the rich and screw the middle and lower class. Don't get me wrong, I am not completely happy with Obama either, but this bi-partisan polar garbage is only hurting the American people.

Aegeantyphoon said:
Well quite frankly they wont need to over-ride a veto all they have to do is not fund which is in their power. Remember it is the congress that allocates funds not the white house.



kilgoretrout45 said:
Now the republicans are going to have to kiss Obama's *** to try to make all the changes they promised. They will have a hard time over-riding a veto when they need 2/3's of the House to do it. Then their "change" is going to have to be approved by a liberal Supreme Court. LONG LIVE THE LIBERALS...and ENGLISH SOCCER.
"bi-partisan polar garbage" is what I originally said. There is NO BIPARTISANSHIP. You appear to be the person who blames Obama for this polarization, and I appear to be the guy that blames Bush for it. However; at this point in time, America needs to be working together instead of drifting apart. While I am at it, maybe the Reps need to be concentrating on the real problems here instead of worrying abut Obama's citizenship, his education, his religious beliefs and ridiculous things like homosexuality(even after Foley, Craig and Ashburn...the republicans get caught doing strange things). I fail to see how any of that is going to solve our problems.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
WHAT BIPARTISANSHIP?


OnlyinPinkerton said:
What bipartisanship?


kilgoretrout45 said:
That was not my point. I said if the Republicans want to change the country like they promised, it is going to take compromise. Basically, both sides will have to humble themselves(kiss butt). If the Republicans don't allocate any money, and this recession dips into a depression, we Americans will have B****....I mean Boehner to blame. Especially when the Reps suck up to the rich and screw the middle and lower class. Don't get me wrong, I am not completely happy with Obama either, but this bi-partisan polar garbage is only hurting the American people.

Aegeantyphoon said:
Well quite frankly they wont need to over-ride a veto all they have to do is not fund which is in their power. Remember it is the congress that allocates funds not the white house.



kilgoretrout45 said:
Now the republicans are going to have to kiss Obama's *** to try to make all the changes they promised. They will have a hard time over-riding a veto when they need 2/3's of the House to do it. Then their "change" is going to have to be approved by a liberal Supreme Court. LONG LIVE THE LIBERALS...and ENGLISH SOCCER.
Good points but lets be realistic and look at Barney Frank and Chuck who actually perpetuated the housing crisis by forcing fanny Mae and Freddie Mac to issue bad loans to people that could not pay and also Maxine Waters who's husband was working for a bank that also got a portion of the porkulous stimulus package. The point being that there is enough blame to go around for both parties. Bottom line is we need to cut spending and cut it deeply. Reduce salaries for all government employees and yes renegotiate the union contracts to be realistic. Will that happen, No not with either party I am afraid but that is what needs to happen. We are headed for a tremendous inflationary period worse than when Jimmy Carter left office if we keep printing money like this.


kilgoretrout45 said:
"bi-partisan polar garbage" is what I originally said. There is NO BIPARTISANSHIP. You appear to be the person who blames Obama for this polarization, and I appear to be the guy that blames Bush for it. However; at this point in time, America needs to be working together instead of drifting apart. While I am at it, maybe the Reps need to be concentrating on the real problems here instead of worrying abut Obama's citizenship, his education, his religious beliefs and ridiculous things like homosexuality(even after Foley, Craig and Ashburn...the republicans get caught doing strange things). I fail to see how any of that is going to solve our problems.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
WHAT BIPARTISANSHIP?


OnlyinPinkerton said:
What bipartisanship?


kilgoretrout45 said:
That was not my point. I said if the Republicans want to change the country like they promised, it is going to take compromise. Basically, both sides will have to humble themselves(kiss butt). If the Republicans don't allocate any money, and this recession dips into a depression, we Americans will have B****....I mean Boehner to blame. Especially when the Reps suck up to the rich and screw the middle and lower class. Don't get me wrong, I am not completely happy with Obama either, but this bi-partisan polar garbage is only hurting the American people.

Aegeantyphoon said:
Well quite frankly they wont need to over-ride a veto all they have to do is not fund which is in their power. Remember it is the congress that allocates funds not the white house.



kilgoretrout45 said:
Now the republicans are going to have to kiss Obama's *** to try to make all the changes they promised. They will have a hard time over-riding a veto when they need 2/3's of the House to do it. Then their "change" is going to have to be approved by a liberal Supreme Court. LONG LIVE THE LIBERALS...and ENGLISH SOCCER.
Or I could just blame the trend and model of American party politics in general? You would have to be an idiot (I'm not holding my breath in your case) to blame a partisan congress on a single presidency. Don't get your liberal panties too wet as they may tighten when the sun comes out (spread your ass-cheeks and find out), it could be much worse- a perfect example is the responsible party system in the UK.

You seem like the type of person who keeps their eyes glued to MSNBC. I hardly think the republicans are going to get their agenda through the house by raising issues of Obama's citizenship, education (he went to Columbia! What a dumb ass!), his religious beliefs, homosexuality etc... As they want to get reelected and keep their jobs.

Bottom line, if the economy gets better, Republicans keep the House, Obama keeps his job. Economy gets worse, no-one's job is safe. So there is a possibility you are going to see Obama pull a Clinton and jump through the middle (which is something he proposed when he was first elected, but has failed to do). Also, I am in no way saying economic success was due in a large part to Clinton's policy. I am almost convinced it was due to the economic boom created by a boost in technology- the internet.



kilgoretrout45 said:
"bi-partisan polar garbage" is what I originally said. There is NO BIPARTISANSHIP. You appear to be the person who blames Obama for this polarization, and I appear to be the guy that blames Bush for it. However; at this point in time, America needs to be working together instead of drifting apart. While I am at it, maybe the Reps need to be concentrating on the real problems here instead of worrying abut Obama's citizenship, his education, his religious beliefs and ridiculous things like homosexuality(even after Foley, Craig and Ashburn...the republicans get caught doing strange things). I fail to see how any of that is going to solve our problems.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
WHAT BIPARTISANSHIP?


OnlyinPinkerton said:
What bipartisanship?


kilgoretrout45 said:
That was not my point. I said if the Republicans want to change the country like they promised, it is going to take compromise. Basically, both sides will have to humble themselves(kiss butt). If the Republicans don't allocate any money, and this recession dips into a depression, we Americans will have B****....I mean Boehner to blame. Especially when the Reps suck up to the rich and screw the middle and lower class. Don't get me wrong, I am not completely happy with Obama either, but this bi-partisan polar garbage is only hurting the American people.

Aegeantyphoon said:
Well quite frankly they wont need to over-ride a veto all they have to do is not fund which is in their power. Remember it is the congress that allocates funds not the white house.



kilgoretrout45 said:
Now the republicans are going to have to kiss Obama's *** to try to make all the changes they promised. They will have a hard time over-riding a veto when they need 2/3's of the House to do it. Then their "change" is going to have to be approved by a liberal Supreme Court. LONG LIVE THE LIBERALS...and ENGLISH SOCCER.
Now Now, be nice, you are right if the economy does turn around whoever is in office will keep their jobs. But do not be bashing liberals most people understand that they only watch MSLSD and the communist broadcast station (CBS) or the All Barack Channel (ABC), have no clue and just want handouts. Or better yet steal from the rich and give to the poor. They do not realize it is the rich that creates jobs, that is okay. Give them a break they will learn eventually. Okay maybe not. The socialist agenda will not prevail in the long run. And Chicago type politics will end. The issue is really with both parties. Again we need to cut spending not issue grants to bogus green technology for a fake global warming communist agenda. If we do that we will be fine. Being that I am a Conservative I have to admit I liked Clinton but that was only because he was kept in check by the congress and he moved more to the center. Obama wont, he even said earlier today he wont. Nancy Stretch Pelosi wants to be house minority leader let her. That will cause them to loose more seats. I just hope in the end we will not fund Obama Care and we will cut spending.



OnlyinPinkerton said:
Or I could just blame the trend and model of American party politics in general? You would have to be an idiot (I'm not holding my breath in your case) to blame a partisan congress on a single presidency. Don't get your liberal panties too wet as they may tighten when the sun comes out (spread your ass-cheeks and find out), it could be much worse- a perfect example is the responsible party system in the UK.

You seem like the type of person who keeps their eyes glued to MSNBC. I hardly think the republicans are going to get their agenda through the house by raising issues of Obama's citizenship, education (he went to Columbia! What a dumb ass!), his religious beliefs, homosexuality etc... As they want to get reelected and keep their jobs.

Bottom line, if the economy gets better, Republicans keep the House, Obama keeps his job. Economy gets worse, no-one's job is safe. So there is a possibility you are going to see Obama pull a Clinton and jump through the middle (which is something he proposed when he was first elected, but has failed to do). Also, I am in no way saying economic success was due in a large part to Clinton's policy. I am almost convinced it was due to the economic boom created by a boost in technology- the internet.



kilgoretrout45 said:
"bi-partisan polar garbage" is what I originally said. There is NO BIPARTISANSHIP. You appear to be the person who blames Obama for this polarization, and I appear to be the guy that blames Bush for it. However; at this point in time, America needs to be working together instead of drifting apart. While I am at it, maybe the Reps need to be concentrating on the real problems here instead of worrying abut Obama's citizenship, his education, his religious beliefs and ridiculous things like homosexuality(even after Foley, Craig and Ashburn...the republicans get caught doing strange things). I fail to see how any of that is going to solve our problems.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
WHAT BIPARTISANSHIP?


OnlyinPinkerton said:
What bipartisanship?


kilgoretrout45 said:
That was not my point. I said if the Republicans want to change the country like they promised, it is going to take compromise. Basically, both sides will have to humble themselves(kiss butt). If the Republicans don't allocate any money, and this recession dips into a depression, we Americans will have B****....I mean Boehner to blame. Especially when the Reps suck up to the rich and screw the middle and lower class. Don't get me wrong, I am not completely happy with Obama either, but this bi-partisan polar garbage is only hurting the American people.

Aegeantyphoon said:
Well quite frankly they wont need to over-ride a veto all they have to do is not fund which is in their power. Remember it is the congress that allocates funds not the white house.



kilgoretrout45 said:
Now the republicans are going to have to kiss Obama's *** to try to make all the changes they promised. They will have a hard time over-riding a veto when they need 2/3's of the House to do it. Then their "change" is going to have to be approved by a liberal Supreme Court. LONG LIVE THE LIBERALS...and ENGLISH SOCCER.
The republicans have already stated that their number one goal is to make Obama a one term President. What a healthy way to start after taking the majority in the House. Worried about reelection? Heck, that is how the reps get into office. Throwing fear, mistrust, accusations...instead of talking about the real issues. Hell, you guys did it to John Kerry also. OnlyinPinkerton, you seem very angry. Is that the normal temperament of a right wing fanactic? Are you angry because all you have in 2012 is Palin? She would be a very sexy librarian in some adult movie , but she might quit her job...just like she did in Alaska. I am definitely not a Pelosi fan either...maybe her and Palin can be in the same movie "Bi" Partisanship B******. Just think, you could own as many copies you want! You could add it to your library with "Bush and D***" unless you over used that copy.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
Or I could just blame the trend and model of American party politics in general? You would have to be an idiot (I'm not holding my breath in your case) to blame a partisan congress on a single presidency. Don't get your liberal panties too wet as they may tighten when the sun comes out (spread your ass-cheeks and find out), it could be much worse- a perfect example is the responsible party system in the UK.

You seem like the type of person who keeps their eyes glued to MSNBC. I hardly think the republicans are going to get their agenda through the house by raising issues of Obama's citizenship, education (he went to Columbia! What a dumb ass!), his religious beliefs, homosexuality etc... As they want to get reelected and keep their jobs.

Bottom line, if the economy gets better, Republicans keep the House, Obama keeps his job. Economy gets worse, no-one's job is safe. So there is a possibility you are going to see Obama pull a Clinton and jump through the middle (which is something he proposed when he was first elected, but has failed to do). Also, I am in no way saying economic success was due in a large part to Clinton's policy. I am almost convinced it was due to the economic boom created by a boost in technology- the internet.



kilgoretrout45 said:
"bi-partisan polar garbage" is what I originally said. There is NO BIPARTISANSHIP. You appear to be the person who blames Obama for this polarization, and I appear to be the guy that blames Bush for it. However; at this point in time, America needs to be working together instead of drifting apart. While I am at it, maybe the Reps need to be concentrating on the real problems here instead of worrying abut Obama's citizenship, his education, his religious beliefs and ridiculous things like homosexuality(even after Foley, Craig and Ashburn...the republicans get caught doing strange things). I fail to see how any of that is going to solve our problems.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
WHAT BIPARTISANSHIP?


OnlyinPinkerton said:
What bipartisanship?


kilgoretrout45 said:
That was not my point. I said if the Republicans want to change the country like they promised, it is going to take compromise. Basically, both sides will have to humble themselves(kiss butt). If the Republicans don't allocate any money, and this recession dips into a depression, we Americans will have B****....I mean Boehner to blame. Especially when the Reps suck up to the rich and screw the middle and lower class. Don't get me wrong, I am not completely happy with Obama either, but this bi-partisan polar garbage is only hurting the American people.

Aegeantyphoon said:
Well quite frankly they wont need to over-ride a veto all they have to do is not fund which is in their power. Remember it is the congress that allocates funds not the white house.



kilgoretrout45 said:
Now the republicans are going to have to kiss Obama's *** to try to make all the changes they promised. They will have a hard time over-riding a veto when they need 2/3's of the House to do it. Then their "change" is going to have to be approved by a liberal Supreme Court. LONG LIVE THE LIBERALS...and ENGLISH SOCCER.
"The republicans have already stated that their number one goal is to make Obama a one term President."

- Did you just read a headline off of MSNBC.com? If you had read the article, or watched what Mitch McConnell had said, you may not look like the uninformed dumb ass as you appear to be. He basically said," We have an agenda, and if Obama doesn't like our agenda, we don't want him as president." What senator of a minority party has ever wanted otherwise?

"What a healthy way to start after taking the majority in the House. Worried about reelection?"

-The Senate minority leader is not the House majority leader or the leader of the GOP, I hope you are aware of that.

" Heck, that is how the reps get into office. Throwing fear, mistrust, accusations...instead of talking about the real issues. Hell, you guys did it to John Kerry also. "

- Yes I forgot, the war in Iraq was never a real issue for either side, or the housing market and the economy in general. You obviously never watched a single presidential debate over the past ten years. Every issue they talk about is a real issue. Also, how did the Dem's get into office in 06 and 08? They ran a campaign of "The Rep's are messing up our economy!" Isn't that a fear tactic? "If you continue with Republican economic ideals, our country will get worse."?

"OnlyinPinkerton, you seem very angry. Is that the normal temperament of a right wing fanactic? Are you angry because all you have in 2012 is Palin? She would be a very sexy librarian in some adult movie , but she might quit her job...just like she did in Alaska. I am definitely not a Pelosi fan either...maybe her and Palin can be in the same movie "Bi" Partisanship B******. Just think, you could own as many copies you want! You could add it to your library with "Bush and D***" unless you over used that copy."

- Right wing fanatic? Hardly, I'm what you would consider a weak republican. I am a fan of conservative economics and the private market. Socially I'm placed just right of center, and no I am not angry, just bewildered at your naive view on politics.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you, what state do you live in, and did you like Greenday's album American Idiot?


kilgoretrout45 said:
The republicans have already stated that their number one goal is to make Obama a one term President. What a healthy way to start after taking the majority in the House. Worried about reelection? Heck, that is how the reps get into office. Throwing fear, mistrust, accusations...instead of talking about the real issues. Hell, you guys did it to John Kerry also. OnlyinPinkerton, you seem very angry. Is that the normal temperament of a right wing fanactic? Are you angry because all you have in 2012 is Palin? She would be a very sexy librarian in some adult movie , but she might quit her job...just like she did in Alaska. I am definitely not a Pelosi fan either...maybe her and Palin can be in the same movie "Bi" Partisanship B******. Just think, you could own as many copies you want! You could add it to your library with "Bush and D***" unless you over used that copy.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
Or I could just blame the trend and model of American party politics in general? You would have to be an idiot (I'm not holding my breath in your case) to blame a partisan congress on a single presidency. Don't get your liberal panties too wet as they may tighten when the sun comes out (spread your ass-cheeks and find out), it could be much worse- a perfect example is the responsible party system in the UK.

You seem like the type of person who keeps their eyes glued to MSNBC. I hardly think the republicans are going to get their agenda through the house by raising issues of Obama's citizenship, education (he went to Columbia! What a dumb ass!), his religious beliefs, homosexuality etc... As they want to get reelected and keep their jobs.

Bottom line, if the economy gets better, Republicans keep the House, Obama keeps his job. Economy gets worse, no-one's job is safe. So there is a possibility you are going to see Obama pull a Clinton and jump through the middle (which is something he proposed when he was first elected, but has failed to do). Also, I am in no way saying economic success was due in a large part to Clinton's policy. I am almost convinced it was due to the economic boom created by a boost in technology- the internet.



kilgoretrout45 said:
"bi-partisan polar garbage" is what I originally said. There is NO BIPARTISANSHIP. You appear to be the person who blames Obama for this polarization, and I appear to be the guy that blames Bush for it. However; at this point in time, America needs to be working together instead of drifting apart. While I am at it, maybe the Reps need to be concentrating on the real problems here instead of worrying abut Obama's citizenship, his education, his religious beliefs and ridiculous things like homosexuality(even after Foley, Craig and Ashburn...the republicans get caught doing strange things). I fail to see how any of that is going to solve our problems.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
WHAT BIPARTISANSHIP?


OnlyinPinkerton said:
What bipartisanship?


kilgoretrout45 said:
That was not my point. I said if the Republicans want to change the country like they promised, it is going to take compromise. Basically, both sides will have to humble themselves(kiss butt). If the Republicans don't allocate any money, and this recession dips into a depression, we Americans will have B****....I mean Boehner to blame. Especially when the Reps suck up to the rich and screw the middle and lower class. Don't get me wrong, I am not completely happy with Obama either, but this bi-partisan polar garbage is only hurting the American people.

Aegeantyphoon said:
Well quite frankly they wont need to over-ride a veto all they have to do is not fund which is in their power. Remember it is the congress that allocates funds not the white house.



kilgoretrout45 said:
Now the republicans are going to have to kiss Obama's *** to try to make all the changes they promised. They will have a hard time over-riding a veto when they need 2/3's of the House to do it. Then their "change" is going to have to be approved by a liberal Supreme Court. LONG LIVE THE LIBERALS...and ENGLISH SOCCER.
You see that just goes to prove another point, which you will not see stated in the liberal media. That is if the dems do something it is okay but if anyone else does they are not in compliance or they are racist. It is ridiculous but you see it. That is why you cannot argue with a liberal because they have no common sense.

And as to the post about the dow being down that is because the devaluation of the dollar which happens with inflation which we are headed to as long as we allow the government to keep spending and printing money.

Keep in mind again Federal jobs had an increase in salary in 2009 of 26 % Private jobs only 8%. Actual unemployment is at about 15% if you account for all the people that have stopped looking for a job.

And I do not want to get into a discussion about the Unions they just need to go.



OnlyinPinkerton said:
"The republicans have already stated that their number one goal is to make Obama a one term President."

- Did you just read a headline off of MSNBC.com? If you had read the article, or watched what Mitch McConnell had said, you may not look like the uninformed dumb ass as you appear to be. He basically said," We have an agenda, and if Obama doesn't like our agenda, we don't want him as president." What senator of a minority party has ever wanted otherwise?

"What a healthy way to start after taking the majority in the House. Worried about reelection?"

-The Senate minority leader is not the House majority leader or the leader of the GOP, I hope you are aware of that.

" Heck, that is how the reps get into office. Throwing fear, mistrust, accusations...instead of talking about the real issues. Hell, you guys did it to John Kerry also. "

- Yes I forgot, the war in Iraq was never a real issue for either side, or the housing market and the economy in general. You obviously never watched a single presidential debate over the past ten years. Every issue they talk about is a real issue. Also, how did the Dem's get into office in 06 and 08? They ran a campaign of "The Rep's are messing up our economy!" Isn't that a fear tactic? "If you continue with Republican economic ideals, our country will get worse."?

"OnlyinPinkerton, you seem very angry. Is that the normal temperament of a right wing fanactic? Are you angry because all you have in 2012 is Palin? She would be a very sexy librarian in some adult movie , but she might quit her job...just like she did in Alaska. I am definitely not a Pelosi fan either...maybe her and Palin can be in the same movie "Bi" Partisanship B******. Just think, you could own as many copies you want! You could add it to your library with "Bush and D***" unless you over used that copy."

- Right wing fanatic? Hardly, I'm what you would consider a weak republican. I am a fan of conservative economics and the private market. Socially I'm placed just right of center, and no I am not angry, just bewildered at your naive view on politics.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you, what state do you live in, and did you like Greenday's album American Idiot?


kilgoretrout45 said:
The republicans have already stated that their number one goal is to make Obama a one term President. What a healthy way to start after taking the majority in the House. Worried about reelection? Heck, that is how the reps get into office. Throwing fear, mistrust, accusations...instead of talking about the real issues. Hell, you guys did it to John Kerry also. OnlyinPinkerton, you seem very angry. Is that the normal temperament of a right wing fanactic? Are you angry because all you have in 2012 is Palin? She would be a very sexy librarian in some adult movie , but she might quit her job...just like she did in Alaska. I am definitely not a Pelosi fan either...maybe her and Palin can be in the same movie "Bi" Partisanship B******. Just think, you could own as many copies you want! You could add it to your library with "Bush and D***" unless you over used that copy.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
Or I could just blame the trend and model of American party politics in general? You would have to be an idiot (I'm not holding my breath in your case) to blame a partisan congress on a single presidency. Don't get your liberal panties too wet as they may tighten when the sun comes out (spread your ass-cheeks and find out), it could be much worse- a perfect example is the responsible party system in the UK.

You seem like the type of person who keeps their eyes glued to MSNBC. I hardly think the republicans are going to get their agenda through the house by raising issues of Obama's citizenship, education (he went to Columbia! What a dumb ass!), his religious beliefs, homosexuality etc... As they want to get reelected and keep their jobs.

Bottom line, if the economy gets better, Republicans keep the House, Obama keeps his job. Economy gets worse, no-one's job is safe. So there is a possibility you are going to see Obama pull a Clinton and jump through the middle (which is something he proposed when he was first elected, but has failed to do). Also, I am in no way saying economic success was due in a large part to Clinton's policy. I am almost convinced it was due to the economic boom created by a boost in technology- the internet.



kilgoretrout45 said:
"bi-partisan polar garbage" is what I originally said. There is NO BIPARTISANSHIP. You appear to be the person who blames Obama for this polarization, and I appear to be the guy that blames Bush for it. However; at this point in time, America needs to be working together instead of drifting apart. While I am at it, maybe the Reps need to be concentrating on the real problems here instead of worrying abut Obama's citizenship, his education, his religious beliefs and ridiculous things like homosexuality(even after Foley, Craig and Ashburn...the republicans get caught doing strange things). I fail to see how any of that is going to solve our problems.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
WHAT BIPARTISANSHIP?


OnlyinPinkerton said:
What bipartisanship?


kilgoretrout45 said:
That was not my point. I said if the Republicans want to change the country like they promised, it is going to take compromise. Basically, both sides will have to humble themselves(kiss butt). If the Republicans don't allocate any money, and this recession dips into a depression, we Americans will have B****....I mean Boehner to blame. Especially when the Reps suck up to the rich and screw the middle and lower class. Don't get me wrong, I am not completely happy with Obama either, but this bi-partisan polar garbage is only hurting the American people.

Aegeantyphoon said:
Well quite frankly they wont need to over-ride a veto all they have to do is not fund which is in their power. Remember it is the congress that allocates funds not the white house.



kilgoretrout45 said:
Now the republicans are going to have to kiss Obama's *** to try to make all the changes they promised. They will have a hard time over-riding a veto when they need 2/3's of the House to do it. Then their "change" is going to have to be approved by a liberal Supreme Court. LONG LIVE THE LIBERALS...and ENGLISH SOCCER.
Who say's a fear tactic can't be true?


this is a brocording said:
no, that part was all true.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
Also, how did the Dem's get into office in 06 and 08? They ran a campaign of "The Rep's are messing up our economy!" Isn't that a fear tactic? "If you continue with Republican economic ideals, our country will get worse."?
What's the difference between that and, "Vote for us, we ARE in the midst of a war"?


this is a brocording said:
in case you hadn't noticed, we were already in the midst of a recession at that time.

it's not a fear tactic if what democrats were running on had already come true. they weren't saying "vote for us OR the economy will be f*****," they were saying "vote for us, because the economy IS f***** and we had less to do with it than the other guys."


OnlyinPinkerton said:
Who say's a fear tactic can't be true?


this is a brocording said:
no, that part was all true.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
Also, how did the Dem's get into office in 06 and 08? They ran a campaign of "The Rep's are messing up our economy!" Isn't that a fear tactic? "If you continue with Republican economic ideals, our country will get worse."?
What is your fascination with MSNBC? I can't stand Olberman or Maddow. They are just the left wing version of Glen Beck and Hannity. I live in a conservative town with lots of big American trucks and thousands of churches. Are you one of those college kids that just learned something in your political science class and want to show off? If you are trying to impress me it does not work. I sure as hell would not consider myself a full on liberal. I want government to shrink(and don't pull out your Jeffersonian Era ideologies). However; I do get along with liberals a hell of a lot better than conservatives. You guys(or just you) are just too angry all of the time. Maybe your cowboy hats are on too tight..or the cucumbers you stuff in your pants are really uncomfortable and it gets you angry.

"Who says fear tactics can't be true?" What kind of lame statement is that? While it is possible to be true, the word tactic confuses me. You do know that a tactic is a strategy right? You know(let me put this so you understand)...a tactic is a plan. Do you understand that? It is usually persuasive in nature, thus it is either is a lie, a distorted truth or an exaggeration of a possible truth. Either way, it is a form of propaganda.

Green Day? What the heck does that have to do with anything? Do you consider that constructive? Do you listen to Garth Brooks?

It is hard to listen to a whining little angry boy. If you could just be more constructive. Aegeantyphoon is constructive and offers a lot of insight. he makes me think, but when you say "do you listen to Green Day", I realize that I am talking to a door knob. Obviously, you are not very open minded and I feel sorry for you.
By the way, you never did answer the question about your "Bush and D***" video collection.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
"The republicans have already stated that their number one goal is to make Obama a one term President."

- Did you just read a headline off of MSNBC.com? If you had read the article, or watched what Mitch McConnell had said, you may not look like the uninformed dumb ass as you appear to be. He basically said," We have an agenda, and if Obama doesn't like our agenda, we don't want him as president." What senator of a minority party has ever wanted otherwise?

"What a healthy way to start after taking the majority in the House. Worried about reelection?"

-The Senate minority leader is not the House majority leader or the leader of the GOP, I hope you are aware of that.

" Heck, that is how the reps get into office. Throwing fear, mistrust, accusations...instead of talking about the real issues. Hell, you guys did it to John Kerry also. "

- Yes I forgot, the war in Iraq was never a real issue for either side, or the housing market and the economy in general. You obviously never watched a single presidential debate over the past ten years. Every issue they talk about is a real issue. Also, how did the Dem's get into office in 06 and 08? They ran a campaign of "The Rep's are messing up our economy!" Isn't that a fear tactic? "If you continue with Republican economic ideals, our country will get worse."?

"OnlyinPinkerton, you seem very angry. Is that the normal temperament of a right wing fanactic? Are you angry because all you have in 2012 is Palin? She would be a very sexy librarian in some adult movie , but she might quit her job...just like she did in Alaska. I am definitely not a Pelosi fan either...maybe her and Palin can be in the same movie "Bi" Partisanship B******. Just think, you could own as many copies you want! You could add it to your library with "Bush and D***" unless you over used that copy."

- Right wing fanatic? Hardly, I'm what you would consider a weak republican. I am a fan of conservative economics and the private market. Socially I'm placed just right of center, and no I am not angry, just bewildered at your naive view on politics.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you, what state do you live in, and did you like Greenday's album American Idiot?


kilgoretrout45 said:
The republicans have already stated that their number one goal is to make Obama a one term President. What a healthy way to start after taking the majority in the House. Worried about reelection? Heck, that is how the reps get into office. Throwing fear, mistrust, accusations...instead of talking about the real issues. Hell, you guys did it to John Kerry also. OnlyinPinkerton, you seem very angry. Is that the normal temperament of a right wing fanactic? Are you angry because all you have in 2012 is Palin? She would be a very sexy librarian in some adult movie , but she might quit her job...just like she did in Alaska. I am definitely not a Pelosi fan either...maybe her and Palin can be in the same movie "Bi" Partisanship B******. Just think, you could own as many copies you want! You could add it to your library with "Bush and D***" unless you over used that copy.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
Or I could just blame the trend and model of American party politics in general? You would have to be an idiot (I'm not holding my breath in your case) to blame a partisan congress on a single presidency. Don't get your liberal panties too wet as they may tighten when the sun comes out (spread your ass-cheeks and find out), it could be much worse- a perfect example is the responsible party system in the UK.

You seem like the type of person who keeps their eyes glued to MSNBC. I hardly think the republicans are going to get their agenda through the house by raising issues of Obama's citizenship, education (he went to Columbia! What a dumb ass!), his religious beliefs, homosexuality etc... As they want to get reelected and keep their jobs.

Bottom line, if the economy gets better, Republicans keep the House, Obama keeps his job. Economy gets worse, no-one's job is safe. So there is a possibility you are going to see Obama pull a Clinton and jump through the middle (which is something he proposed when he was first elected, but has failed to do). Also, I am in no way saying economic success was due in a large part to Clinton's policy. I am almost convinced it was due to the economic boom created by a boost in technology- the internet.



kilgoretrout45 said:
"bi-partisan polar garbage" is what I originally said. There is NO BIPARTISANSHIP. You appear to be the person who blames Obama for this polarization, and I appear to be the guy that blames Bush for it. However; at this point in time, America needs to be working together instead of drifting apart. While I am at it, maybe the Reps need to be concentrating on the real problems here instead of worrying abut Obama's citizenship, his education, his religious beliefs and ridiculous things like homosexuality(even after Foley, Craig and Ashburn...the republicans get caught doing strange things). I fail to see how any of that is going to solve our problems.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
WHAT BIPARTISANSHIP?


OnlyinPinkerton said:
What bipartisanship?


kilgoretrout45 said:
That was not my point. I said if the Republicans want to change the country like they promised, it is going to take compromise. Basically, both sides will have to humble themselves(kiss butt). If the Republicans don't allocate any money, and this recession dips into a depression, we Americans will have B****....I mean Boehner to blame. Especially when the Reps suck up to the rich and screw the middle and lower class. Don't get me wrong, I am not completely happy with Obama either, but this bi-partisan polar garbage is only hurting the American people.

Aegeantyphoon said:
Well quite frankly they wont need to over-ride a veto all they have to do is not fund which is in their power. Remember it is the congress that allocates funds not the white house.



kilgoretrout45 said:
Now the republicans are going to have to kiss Obama's *** to try to make all the changes they promised. They will have a hard time over-riding a veto when they need 2/3's of the House to do it. Then their "change" is going to have to be approved by a liberal Supreme Court. LONG LIVE THE LIBERALS...and ENGLISH SOCCER.
"What is your fascination with MSNBC?"

- My fascination is that you choose to read article titles and not the articles themselves, and choose to make yourself look like an ass by flaunting around your new found "knowledge" of the republican agenda. It was also pretty funny how you chose an article with a liberal slanted headline, while the article itself wasn't reflected as such.

"Are you one of those college kids that just learned something in your political science class and want to show off?"

- Regarding what? I don't think I've used any of my Poli Sci degree in this discussion. I've only used common sense, which is something you could use more of. Wait I take that back, I did say something along the lines of, "... you obviously haven't watched a presidential debate over the past 10 years." I forgot you had to take a poli sci class to view something like that, seeing as how we have to present a secret Poli Sci ID card to our cable/satellite company before hand.

""Who says fear tactics can't be true?" What kind of lame statement is that? While it is possible to be true, the word tactic confuses me. You do know that a tactic is a strategy right? You know(let me put this so you understand)...a tactic is a plan. Do you understand that?"

You do understand that within a campaign there is a message or an issue (hopefully both), within a message or an issue there is a strategy to inform the public of the issue and your message, and within that strategy there contains a tactic? Stop being so f****** stupid.

"It is usually persuasive in nature, thus it is either is a lie, a distorted truth or an exaggeration of a possible truth. Either way, it is a form of propaganda." "

Thanks, I didn't understand that plans are meant to be persuasive. Next time I make a plan to go take a s***, I'll remember that it is either a lie or a distorted truth- just propaganda. F***, I wonder how many times I've missed the toilet seat?

"Green Day? What the heck does that have to do with anything? Do you consider that constructive? Do you listen to Garth Brooks?"

- I was trying to gain evidence for a previous point in a different thread. So yes, it would have been constructive for me.

"Obviously, you are not very open minded and I feel sorry for you. "

- LOL. Maybe I'm not open minded because my eyes make it further down a page than just the headlines. Seriously though, your liberal views are very superficial and one sided, read a little more to support your theories of Republicans relying on fear tactics to win elections, and come back to me with an educated statement.




kilgoretrout45 said:
What is your fascination with MSNBC? I can't stand Olberman or Maddow. They are just the left wing version of Glen Beck and Hannity. I live in a conservative town with lots of big American trucks and thousands of churches. Are you one of those college kids that just learned something in your political science class and want to show off? If you are trying to impress me it does not work. I sure as hell would not consider myself a full on liberal. I want government to shrink(and don't pull out your Jeffersonian Era ideologies). However; I do get along with liberals a hell of a lot better than conservatives. You guys(or just you) are just too angry all of the time. Maybe your cowboy hats are on too tight..or the cucumbers you stuff in your pants are really uncomfortable and it gets you angry.

"Who says fear tactics can't be true?" What kind of lame statement is that? While it is possible to be true, the word tactic confuses me. You do know that a tactic is a strategy right? You know(let me put this so you understand)...a tactic is a plan. Do you understand that? It is usually persuasive in nature, thus it is either is a lie, a distorted truth or an exaggeration of a possible truth. Either way, it is a form of propaganda.

Green Day? What the heck does that have to do with anything? Do you consider that constructive? Do you listen to Garth Brooks?

It is hard to listen to a whining little angry boy. If you could just be more constructive. Aegeantyphoon is constructive and offers a lot of insight. he makes me think, but when you say "do you listen to Green Day", I realize that I am talking to a door knob. Obviously, you are not very open minded and I feel sorry for you.
By the way, you never did answer the question about your "Bush and D***" video collection.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
"The republicans have already stated that their number one goal is to make Obama a one term President."

- Did you just read a headline off of MSNBC.com? If you had read the article, or watched what Mitch McConnell had said, you may not look like the uninformed dumb ass as you appear to be. He basically said," We have an agenda, and if Obama doesn't like our agenda, we don't want him as president." What senator of a minority party has ever wanted otherwise?

"What a healthy way to start after taking the majority in the House. Worried about reelection?"

-The Senate minority leader is not the House majority leader or the leader of the GOP, I hope you are aware of that.

" Heck, that is how the reps get into office. Throwing fear, mistrust, accusations...instead of talking about the real issues. Hell, you guys did it to John Kerry also. "

- Yes I forgot, the war in Iraq was never a real issue for either side, or the housing market and the economy in general. You obviously never watched a single presidential debate over the past ten years. Every issue they talk about is a real issue. Also, how did the Dem's get into office in 06 and 08? They ran a campaign of "The Rep's are messing up our economy!" Isn't that a fear tactic? "If you continue with Republican economic ideals, our country will get worse."?

"OnlyinPinkerton, you seem very angry. Is that the normal temperament of a right wing fanactic? Are you angry because all you have in 2012 is Palin? She would be a very sexy librarian in some adult movie , but she might quit her job...just like she did in Alaska. I am definitely not a Pelosi fan either...maybe her and Palin can be in the same movie "Bi" Partisanship B******. Just think, you could own as many copies you want! You could add it to your library with "Bush and D***" unless you over used that copy."

- Right wing fanatic? Hardly, I'm what you would consider a weak republican. I am a fan of conservative economics and the private market. Socially I'm placed just right of center, and no I am not angry, just bewildered at your naive view on politics.

Just out of curiosity, how old are you, what state do you live in, and did you like Greenday's album American Idiot?


kilgoretrout45 said:
The republicans have already stated that their number one goal is to make Obama a one term President. What a healthy way to start after taking the majority in the House. Worried about reelection? Heck, that is how the reps get into office. Throwing fear, mistrust, accusations...instead of talking about the real issues. Hell, you guys did it to John Kerry also. OnlyinPinkerton, you seem very angry. Is that the normal temperament of a right wing fanactic? Are you angry because all you have in 2012 is Palin? She would be a very sexy librarian in some adult movie , but she might quit her job...just like she did in Alaska. I am definitely not a Pelosi fan either...maybe her and Palin can be in the same movie "Bi" Partisanship B******. Just think, you could own as many copies you want! You could add it to your library with "Bush and D***" unless you over used that copy.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
Or I could just blame the trend and model of American party politics in general? You would have to be an idiot (I'm not holding my breath in your case) to blame a partisan congress on a single presidency. Don't get your liberal panties too wet as they may tighten when the sun comes out (spread your ass-cheeks and find out), it could be much worse- a perfect example is the responsible party system in the UK.

You seem like the type of person who keeps their eyes glued to MSNBC. I hardly think the republicans are going to get their agenda through the house by raising issues of Obama's citizenship, education (he went to Columbia! What a dumb ass!), his religious beliefs, homosexuality etc... As they want to get reelected and keep their jobs.

Bottom line, if the economy gets better, Republicans keep the House, Obama keeps his job. Economy gets worse, no-one's job is safe. So there is a possibility you are going to see Obama pull a Clinton and jump through the middle (which is something he proposed when he was first elected, but has failed to do). Also, I am in no way saying economic success was due in a large part to Clinton's policy. I am almost convinced it was due to the economic boom created by a boost in technology- the internet.



kilgoretrout45 said:
"bi-partisan polar garbage" is what I originally said. There is NO BIPARTISANSHIP. You appear to be the person who blames Obama for this polarization, and I appear to be the guy that blames Bush for it. However; at this point in time, America needs to be working together instead of drifting apart. While I am at it, maybe the Reps need to be concentrating on the real problems here instead of worrying abut Obama's citizenship, his education, his religious beliefs and ridiculous things like homosexuality(even after Foley, Craig and Ashburn...the republicans get caught doing strange things). I fail to see how any of that is going to solve our problems.

OnlyinPinkerton said:
WHAT BIPARTISANSHIP?


OnlyinPinkerton said:
What bipartisanship?


kilgoretrout45 said:
That was not my point. I said if the Republicans want to change the country like they promised, it is going to take compromise. Basically, both sides will have to humble themselves(kiss butt). If the Republicans don't allocate any money, and this recession dips into a depression, we Americans will have B****....I mean Boehner to blame. Especially when the Reps suck up to the rich and screw the middle and lower class. Don't get me wrong, I am not completely happy with Obama either, but this bi-partisan polar garbage is only hurting the American people.

Aegeantyphoon said:
Well quite frankly they wont need to over-ride a veto all they have to do is not fund which is in their power. Remember it is the congress that allocates funds not the white house.



kilgoretrout45 said:
Now the republicans are going to have to kiss Obama's *** to try to make all the changes they promised. They will have a hard time over-riding a veto when they need 2/3's of the House to do it. Then their "change" is going to have to be approved by a liberal Supreme Court. LONG LIVE THE LIBERALS...and ENGLISH SOCCER.

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