OK... everyone online and at my school are saying rivers cuomo is a sellout!!.. he is not!! who ever says that is a retard. Just beacuse he is in a few music videos with FRED it dosnet mean he is a sellout. maybe his daughter likes fred and rivers wanted to show her that he was on FRED... If you think that rivers is a sellout HE IS NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SO SHUT UP ABOUT IT he never was and never will be

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WHAT!!!
I doubt his daughter knows who Fred is. 

Saying "he never will be" shows that you'd say he wasn't a sellout no matter what he did. The truth is, people who are saying he is a sellout have a lot of valid information which they can use to prove their point, just as you have information to argue that he isn't. There's no reason to get so defensive and call them "retards" (something which is a lot more offensive than calling Rivers a sellout... a guy who does State Farm and racecar commercials for cash).

OH EM GEE.
Weezer started out on a major label and even did advertisements in the nineties, to quote Patrick Wilson "Weezer sold out in '94". That being said, there's been a lot of corporate fellatio that's been occurring in the Weezer camp in the last two years (State Farm, Snuggie, Hurley, Axe and Izod are the companies that spring to mind), so you can't really deny the veracity of these sell-out claims.
I don't think of them as sellouts. I like to say that they are poor. 

James Stockwell (Jamekae) said:
Weezer started out on a major label and even did advertisements in the nineties, to quote Patrick Wilson "Weezer sold out in '94". That being said, there's been a lot of corporate fellatio that's been occurring in the Weezer camp in the last two years (State Farm, Snuggie, Hurley, Axe and Izod are the companies that spring to mind), so you can't really deny the veracity of these sell-out claims.

Do you guys not understand that bands need money? It's not selling out. And can ANYONE here give me a GOOD definition of what a "sell out" is? What qualifies a person to have the title of "sell out?" So the band needs money. So they want to promote their albums. So what? Weezer has ALWAYS been goofy and nerdy, but you need to realize that the band is maturing and exploring new sounds.

 

If Weezer was to make another attempt at a "pinkerton" I bet it would just piss everyone off because it would not be the same as Pinkerton itself. Calling Weezer a sell-out is like complimenting Limp Bizkit for their music. It's just stupid. I say you just pop a Weezer record in, listen to it without any expectations, and then make a judgement for yourself. Don't just ride them off before anything happens.

What a sell out!

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sell+out

I like the second definition. 

Garrett S. Vanisi said:

Do you guys not understand that bands need money? It's not selling out. And can ANYONE here give me a GOOD definition of what a "sell out" is? What qualifies a person to have the title of "sell out?" So the band needs money. So they want to promote their albums. So what? Weezer has ALWAYS been goofy and nerdy, but you need to realize that the band is maturing and exploring new sounds.

 

If Weezer was to make another attempt at a "pinkerton" I bet it would just piss everyone off because it would not be the same as Pinkerton itself. Calling Weezer a sell-out is like complimenting Limp Bizkit for their music. It's just stupid. I say you just pop a Weezer record in, listen to it without any expectations, and then make a judgement for yourself. Don't just ride them off before anything happens.

How do you ride something off?


Garrett,  nobody mentioned writing another Pinkerton. Your arguments have very little to do with what the current thread is about. Maturing and exploring new sounds is not recording the state farm jingle, partnering with a surf clothes company or doing race car commercials. Most fans don't want the band to write "another Pinkerton," but they'd sure like to see the band approach writing music the way they did in the Pinkerton days. Also, their "goofy nerdiness" doesn't have anything to do with them being or not being sell-outs... once again, I'm not sure why you brought that up.

 

A lot of people here don't like seeing a band jump at the chance to be a part of corporate tie-ins. If that makes them close-minded then so be it. I have no problem with the band trying to make money, but I wish it wasn't so blatant and desperate. It's quite depressing to see musicians I respect have to read off cue cards shilling everything they are told to (except for the State Farm commercial, because that was hilarious).

 

It's okay to be passionate about Weezer and want to defend their actions... but to stubbornly refuse to believe that maybe, just maybe they've gone overboard with their promotions is obscene. I mean, think of how many companies Weezer has been associated with in the last few months (Hurley, State Farm, Izod, Youtube/Google). There's a huge difference between licensing your song for use in a commercial and accepting any offer you can get just so you can snag some cash.

 

I'm not saying that it's all negative... thanks to State Farm we got the amazing Memories tour and I really enjoy Hurley. But when I see fans with their hands over their eyes, spouting off the same inane apologist comebacks (they'll never make another pinkerton, they always wanted money, they are growing and maturing), it really irks me. If you can't see that the band is aggressively marketing itself, in a way that they never would have in the past, then I guess I envy you.

Weezer as a band have never took the political or social stance where they can be seen to have 'sold out', they're not NOFX or the Dead Kennedys.

 

They haven't ever criticized mass commercialism so who really cares how many corporate dollars they take.

Get a f****** clue, drewid.

 

http://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/rock-stars/riv...

Farkas said:

I don't think of them as sellouts. I like to say that they are poor. 

James Stockwell (Jamekae) said:
Weezer started out on a major label and even did advertisements in the nineties, to quote Patrick Wilson "Weezer sold out in '94". That being said, there's been a lot of corporate fellatio that's been occurring in the Weezer camp in the last two years (State Farm, Snuggie, Hurley, Axe and Izod are the companies that spring to mind), so you can't really deny the veracity of these sell-out claims.

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